July 26, 2008

Bits Of Hatred - Instalment #2. The ICSE Student's Hatred for the Maharashtra State Board

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(Warning: Longish post. Bits of Hatred always make long posts, I'm too vitriolic to pack my hatred into 1 sentence.)

Read this: Article No. 1

And this: Article No. 2


Or, if you don't have the patience to, here's a summary. Article No. 1 is about the MLAs in Maharashtra wanting to keep ICSE, CBSE and IB students out of its Junior Colleges. Reason? ICSE schools charge excessive fees, and there could be some financial scams going on. Article No. 2 is about the whole percentile nonsense.

The good part is that the Council is fighting hard to stop this nonsense. My favourite part of the article:
"The Council said its syllabus was more rigorous than the SSC syllabus and even attached a copy of an SSC and an ICSE board English paper to illustrate the difference between the two. The affidavit added that the ICSE board regularly updated and upgraded its syllabus to ensure a high quality of education and it was unfair to deny an ICSE student a seat in junior colleges because the state board had failed to upgrade its syllabus. "

Sometimes the Council makes me more proud than I can say.

But the point here is. I. Hate. The. Maharashtra. State. Board.

In spite of all the crap we've faced for being ICSE students, I will never say that I regret being an ICSE student. It's given me more than I can count, and it has been a defining factor for me as well as most of the people I studied with. It's the best education you can ask for (barring IB), with a board that respects application and practicality, and takes the pains to update its syllabus every year. It makes sure you learn enough, and makes sure it's just tough enough for you to not take it for granted.

The SSC board (or HSC) does none of those things. And they have their own constraints and problems, so I don't blame them for the way they are. Okay, maybe some of it is their fault. But then, if something is government-managed, it's a given that it's going to be outdated, inefficient, filled with corruption and of no real use to anyone. I spent 2 years in Junior College, dammit. I was shocked that profs still *dictated* notes (word for word, yes, and spelling out words that were more than 7 letters); and there were concepts we'd studied in the 8th. (This is not to say that the Mumbai University is any better. It's just that the Mumbai University is easier to ignore.)

But the point, the point! The point is simply this: Anyone who says ICSE students are rich brats who have it easy, or that our board throws marks around, or that we think we're too smart - is. bloody. wrong.

What the hell do the Maharashtra ministers (busy in their vote-grubbing exercises) know about education? How many of them are paanchvi pass anyway?!

Yes, ICSE schools are expensive compared to state board schools. But if you're saying there are no state board schools that charge similar fees, you're crazy.

Yes, the Council tends to be a little more lenient with the language papers than yours. But, considering the fact that we had to study Shakespeare (unabridged, un-simplified) and were expected to write essay-type answers about character developments, while you had "Who said to whom?" type stuff, I'd say we deserve some credit.

And about us thinking we're too smart - yes, there is a grain of truth. We kinda do have a chip on our shoulders. After all, when you arrive in 11th standard (state board) to find math you did in 8th grade and English you did in 4th grade, you tend to be a little cocky. Even the most biased of you can't deny this.

And while I'm on all of this, I must bring my personal ego into this. I can't help it. I simply feel like slapping SSC-types who ask me what I got in the 10th (BTW, people, that was 3 years ago. Why are you still asking me this?), and when I say 94.67, I get "Oh, but ICSE, na? Your Board is really lenient." B*****d, would you have got the same score if you'd been in ICSE? What bugs me is that any answer I make to this will simply beget an "Oh-look-at-the-ICSE-girl-be-snobbish" response. Which'll make me homicidal.

And with the whole Marathi-manoos nonsense (Shiv Sena, MNS, take a bow; between the 2 of you, you redefine stupid, immature, irresponsible, disgusting politics) things are only going to get worse. Every person in the state board hates ICSE and CBSE students already. (Don't believe me? Count the number of jibes by profs in a Junior College at ICSE students, or the complex paperwork required to make the transition from school to JC, the list goes on.) Now they will have a legal, professional, institutionalised way to do it. What with the bloody normalisation of marks, and trying to keep only SSC students in HSC, and trying to make Marathi compulsory for ICSE students... the Maharashtra State Board is punishing us, and how.

And the best part is, ICSE students are being punished not for being from a board that is inane and inefficient, but because we must be brought to a level of inanity and inefficiency equal to that of the Maharashtra State Board.

I think we're the only set of students in the world who are, effectively, spat on for having a good education.

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PS - Among other things, *woohoo* to celebrity popats - Peru, take a bow!

PPS - Everyone who thinks that having a job makes you homicidal, say aye.

PPS - I'd blog about the cash-in-parliament if I had something to say. But really, the only part I found funny and ironical was the way they played Vande Mataram at the end of it all. Bunch of idiots.

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Update: Ever had an SSC student tell you "ICSE students don't know grammar" simply because you didn't know the difference between a gerund and an infinitive, or what past participles and injunctives are? I've been told this, on several occasions, and it made my blood boil. But in retrospect, I just feel sorry for them, because this is a thought process that is born out of being educated by a board which is known for placing the emphasis on all the useless things.

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46 comments:

The Nihilist said...

Have been going through your blog for quite some time now.
Being an ICSE student myself, can relate to the post though I believe I am better off as I changed 2 CBSE which certainly seems to better than HSC, particularly after reading your posts, though ICSE is the best among the 3 any day.

And yes, they are a bunch of idiots (I guess, I will stick to this since my arsenal of abuses doesn't really have much ammunition for disgusting creatues)

Asterix said...

That's the Indian crab mentality for you. I wonder how long it will take for people to discard this socialist outlook.

Nihal said...

I was an ICSE student m'self. Switched over to Karnataka State Board. The situation in the government is pretty much the same here. The guys want the Pre-Univ colleges to allow only 500 students from ICSE and CBSE schools in each and every college.

However, the scenario in the colleges is totally different. The teachers love us, and the State Board kids love to lick ICSE butt.

The SSC board over here too is pretty darn substandard with questions like The Arabian Nights is: a. A collection of fairy tales b. A night in arabia c. Some other stupid option.

Consequently, when the guys move over to eleventh and twelfth, the ICSE folk cream the state syllabus guys senseless. Plus the government made the state board comparatively tougher than the SSC to make the guys have some national standing. This sudden change in standard has made a whopping 60+% of the people from Pre-Univ flunk their boards this year. (This was the first batch that wrote their board exam after the SSC "simplified" their syllabus)

Nitish said...

You speak out for a lot of people through this post, Muddu.
I abhorred my SSC teachers during JC. The kind of cold treatment you get for being from ICSE is, to put it bluntly, almost racist.
We need a state-wise movement against this crap being dished out to us.Its PATHETIC !

Ani said...

And while I'm on all of this, I must bring my personal ego into this. I can't help it. I simply feel like slapping SSC-types who ask me what I got in the 10th (BTW, people, that was 3 years ago. Why are you still asking me this?), and when I say 94.67, I get "Oh, but ICSE, na? Your Board is really lenient." B*****d, would you have got the same score if you'd been in ICSE? What bugs me is that any answer I make to this will simply beget an "Oh-look-at-the-ICSE-girl-be-snobbish" response. Which'll make me homicidal.

I get this all the time. And it's been two years for me. And it feels so urghhh.
As far as the percentile and Schools-starting-11th, all I can say is screw you all to hell and beyond.

Over Rated said...

Can I just say that, we at the CBSE think that ICSE is H-A-R-D? Also, getting 94.67 percent in ANY board is commendable.

Quick question though, is being a snob, bad?????

*horrified*

Jhayu said...

Am I going to be the only SSC student who dares to comment here? Possibly.

Anyhoo, I just wanted to say this: being in SSC wasn't a conscious decision on my part, it just happened to me. As a kid, I wouldn't have known the difference.

I'm not going to get into whether or not CBSE and ICSE students get more marks because they deserve to because their syllabi are tougher than SSC. All I'm saying is that SSC students don't score as much. And that's a problem for intelligent and deserving blokes stuck in the (I'll gladly admit it) rot of the SSC system.

Jhayu said...

Oh. P.S. I don't know since when this was, but I'm putting on the record that I'm honoured to be on thy blogroll, Mudra.

Avantika A. said...

hey mudra, i did the SSC board but i wished and prayed i hadnt!! I was told by mrs. Ghoshal (remember her from school?) to dumb down my english in the board exam coz the examiners wouldnt understand it and then where would i be?!
All i can say is that then they wonder why our students are all heading abroad to study. Morons.

Shrey said...

couldnt agree more whole-heartedly! Jai ICSE. Jai AVM ;)

icse rocks said...

seroiusly i would have prefferd to call myself ssc s**** but i think that would be too unfair to the maharashtra government which s**** too.
i have been seeing my friends going in circles to colleges for forms and then for some shit form to vashi.
I truly pity our juniors(yes those lovely people who made sure that the farewell rocked) because they will need a minimum of 94% to even think about going where they want to.

but since that 'honourable' education minister(in the same terms as antony spoke of brutus) feels he is doing it for the greater good..(yes I used to read harry potter..sob...its over) and we are too young to be of any good to the country so i end my comment here


P.S. by the way...cool blog and so true

icse rocks said...

P.S.2 okay i know post scripts show a lack of organised mind but all i can say to all those ssc students who regret the fact that they studied in it... please prevent any one you know from repeating the mistake your close ones made

Peru said...

Wow I thought I'd be the first SSC here but I second what Jhayu has to say - being in SSC wasn't a conscious decision on my part, it just happened to me. As a kid, I wouldn't have known the difference. LOL.

No regrets nonetheless. At least Im not one of those types who ask you what you got in the 10th. I feel like slapping such people too, on your behalf.

You guys are indeed smarter & not everyone hates you as much as you think. Yes, JC can be hard on a someone who has read Shakespeare all his (school) life & must now read Yuvakbharati. Nothing personal against Yuvakbharati. Just didnt like it much.

Don't boil your blood over SSC nonsense. Peace. And someone who left a comment actually nicknamed himself/ herself 'ICSE rocks'. Haha.. Your blog is so soul stirring!

Also, thanks for my 15 seconds of fame. And to come clean - I did not intend that celebrity popat. I never could, in his case! It wasn't even him, unless roaming was on. (Just for the record)

Cheers. Keedas. Peace.

Mudra said...

@nihal: Wow, didn't know it's the same with other states as well...

@nitish: Let's start a revolution!

@overrated: Of course not, as long as snobbery keeps you happy and distant from reality :)

@jhayu: Dude, ICSE happened to me by accident. The good old school converted from SSC to ICSE when I was in 4th grade. And I totally agree that it's unfair on deserving SSC students - and there are a lot of them.

@shrey: The Education Minister would respond to that with "Jai Maharashtra!" :)

@peru: Oh, for the record, the same celebrity was spotted 2 days after the legendary popat at a city multiplex by a friend of mine. Hence the question of roaming does not arise.

aditi said...

1. Aye
2. Dude, I HAVE had an SSC student ask me what a gerund is and SSC grammar is wow. WTF. A lot of them can't even string proper sentences together.
3. I've got the - "Oh, but ICSE, na?" trash too. Similar sentiments felt.

Nonsense ya. But nice blog =). As usual. Always makes me laugh out loud atLEAST once.

Fayesal S. Siddiqui said...

my oh my... do i like what i hear u say.... all i'm gonna say for now is that i loved ur writing... i mean ur style.... and sum1 said that their prof asked her to dumb down her english.... that is so true... and if u dont dumb down ur lingo chances r that u'll be given some absurd marks coz they're too thick to understand "our" language...


c'mon who but an idiot say that they're better than us is their language....duhh...we had shakespeare for crying out loud....


i got a decent 76% in my ICSE english paper and was happy.... then i got a 50% in my HSC paper.... it made me mad...


the mistake i made was that i dint "dumb down" my language...lol...



bunch of morons if u ask me...

Peru said...

@mudra's response: Woohoo!! So it really was him!! :D Not happy for the popat, happy for the reply :D
(This behaviour of mine brings me to your next post.. )

azmeen said...

omg! i couldn't agree with you more!! i get so furious when someone comments "oh 90-something percent...ICSE na??" Aaaaaa!!

What bout julius caeser? 40 fat physics texts? mugging the temp/rainfall/altitude of tea,maize,wheat, and 100000 other crops? knwing the indian history better than those who created it? trying to pass practicals in the physics lab:- the land where nothing works! ? answering your TD paper where they decided to ask everything but that which was taught in class :( ?

I guess its a typical example of sour grapes..stupid freaks!

Vandana said...

You go girl!! I studied under ICSE and ISC board of education and I had to face similar crap from state board educated students. All state boards are bogus, be it Bengal Board, UP or Bihar.. I have met them all.. and they harp about their 'better fundas' all the time. Its a case of sour grapes.

Anonymous said...

dont vote for these politician who harm the education system when you're 18

Anonymous said...

Get over it!!!

A lot of nonsense happens in life. Not just in our country but elsewhere too.

Anonymous said...

When Plato gave Socrates's definition of man as "featherless bipeds" and was much praised for the definition, Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato's Academy, saying, "Behold! I've brought you a man." After this incident, "with broad flat nails" was added to Plato's definition.

Anonymous said...

get over yourself.
stop revelling in your past glory. people call icse students snobbish? this very post gives them reasons to do so.
disgusting post but not as disgusting as some of the pretentious comments above.

Amala said...

Hey it seems I am the first CBSE student over here who had to jump to a Maharashtra state board JC. By the way i totally support you, even we CBSE students have to tolerate that crap "CBSE naa....". The thing is my college professors are quite cool n pleasant with all boards and actually pleased with ICSE and CBSE boards.... Ya but studying yuvakbharati after studying Shakespeare is truly shit.. I am a fresher actually don't know whether I will have to dumb down my English... but our professors seem to be cool with our better knowledge.. i am an arts student in St. Xavier's college, Mumbai and the professors seem to expect our standard of knowledge and perhaps more in all subjects and they themselves think the state board textbooks to be dry in other words 'shit'.
And by the way awesome blog!

Desjarlaispvwa said...

get over yourself. stop revelling in your past glory. people call icse students snobbish? this very post gives them reasons to do so. disgusting post but not as disgusting as some of the pretentious comments above.

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Vruta Gupte said...

I really hope we won't be expected to write stuff like “I go you come" etc. Bugs the brains outta me, and that's saying something.

I admit that was a little narcissistic, but in light of the circumstances, I guess it's fine. Awesome blog, by the way.

zizou said...

You might find studying grammar useful.your English is no different from indian english.

zizou said...

Your sentences are grammatically correct but your style of writing would be unacceptable in an British/american university.

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I am an ssc graduate myself. However,I agree with all of the things mentioned here. We are indeed expected to dumb down our answers so that the examiners can understand us. Even for essays, students are instructed to frame simple, small sentences and write in print instead of cursive. It seems hilarious now, but as a child, it was very painful and frustrating to curb your imagination and flow of thought just so that some incompetent examiner somewhere might get you.
And that is not all. Even after following all these silly instructions and being precise in answering, you cannot score beyond a certain level. When questioned, the teacher always said,"oh, you are not wrong dear, but that is the highest that you can get. "
Whatever does that mean?

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